{"id":14799,"date":"2024-10-24T06:30:00","date_gmt":"2024-10-24T06:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/?p=14799"},"modified":"2024-10-25T03:53:46","modified_gmt":"2024-10-25T03:53:46","slug":"alec-ash-on-the-young-chinese-leaving-the-cities-for-the-mountains","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/alec-ash-on-the-young-chinese-leaving-the-cities-for-the-mountains\/","title":{"rendered":"Alec Ash on the young Chinese leaving the cities for the mountains"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Originally from Oxford, Alec Ash is a writer and editor focused on China, where he lived from 2008-2022. His first book, <em>Wish Lanterns: Young Lives in New China<\/em>, was published in 2017. Feeling burnt out, he decided to move to the more peaceful province of Dali in Yunnan to experience life there. And it was where he found himself living through the Covid-19 pandemic, too.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ash now lives in New York, where he is the editor of the <em>China Books Review,<\/em> a digital magazine (and podcast) project of the Asia Society and The Wire China. Following the publishing of Alec\u2019s memoir of his Dali life, <em>The Mountains\u00a0are High<\/em> (Scribe, 2024), Paul French talked to him about life in Dali, the rather relaxed pandemic experience there, whether burnt out professionals are really forsaking city life for the mountains, what it takes to \u201cdrop out\u201d in China, and who exactly is \u201clying flat\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter\"><a href=\"\/lp-cta-membership2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"4680\" height=\"786\" src=\"https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-membership2.png\" alt=\"Launchpad membership 2\" class=\"wp-image-7249\" srcset=\"https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-membership2.png 4680w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-membership2-300x50.png 300w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-membership2-1024x172.png 1024w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-membership2-768x129.png 768w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-membership2-1536x258.png 1536w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-membership2-2048x344.png 2048w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-membership2-1920x322.png 1920w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-membership2-1170x197.png 1170w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-membership2-585x98.png 585w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 4680px) 100vw, 4680px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">In 2020, you\u2019re living in Beijing, and you decide to quit big city life and head to Dali. Of all the alternatives to the capital you could have chosen, what attracted you to Dali?<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>By the beginning of 2020, Dali felt like what I needed at that time in my life \u2013 rural seclusion, a new part of China to explore, and alternative communities that interested me, having lived in bigger cities all my life. I was burnt out in Beijing, and Chinese cities can be so smoggy and unlivable at times that they can exacerbate all the negative tendencies of city living, where you don\u2019t talk to your neighbours and are caught up in the rat race. Dali looked like the opposite of that, with more close-knit communities of city escapees living in shared courtyards and pursuing their passions, given the lower cost of living for city transplants out there. Think of it like Londoners moving to a village in Tuscany or a New Yorker\u2019s place upstate, only with escaping Chinese middle class instead. There are other places in China where city folk flee too, many of them in the west of the nation such as the outskirts of Chengdu in Sichuan province, but Dali became an especially popular destination for it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-data443-irp-shortcode irp-shortcode\"><div style=\"clear:both; margin-top:2em; margin-bottom:2em;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/why-is-china-raising-its-retirement-age\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"dofollow\" class=\"u5c81e6d74ae6e51c31fbc78f263616f9\"><style> .u5c81e6d74ae6e51c31fbc78f263616f9 { padding:0px; margin: 0; padding-top:1em!important; padding-bottom:1em!important; width:100%; display: block; font-weight:bold; background-color:#eaeaea; border:0!important; border-left:4px solid #E74C3C!important; box-shadow: 0 1px 2px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.17); -moz-box-shadow: 0 1px 2px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.17); -o-box-shadow: 0 1px 2px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.17); -webkit-box-shadow: 0 1px 2px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.17); text-decoration:none; } .u5c81e6d74ae6e51c31fbc78f263616f9:active, .u5c81e6d74ae6e51c31fbc78f263616f9:hover { opacity: 1; transition: opacity 250ms; webkit-transition: opacity 250ms; text-decoration:none; } .u5c81e6d74ae6e51c31fbc78f263616f9 { transition: background-color 250ms; webkit-transition: background-color 250ms; opacity: 1; transition: opacity 250ms; webkit-transition: opacity 250ms; } .u5c81e6d74ae6e51c31fbc78f263616f9 .ctaText { font-weight:bold; color:#E74C3C; text-decoration:none; font-size: 16px; } .u5c81e6d74ae6e51c31fbc78f263616f9 .postTitle { color:#000000; text-decoration: underline!important; font-size: 16px; } .u5c81e6d74ae6e51c31fbc78f263616f9:hover .postTitle { text-decoration: underline!important; } <\/style><div style=\"padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em;\"><span class=\"ctaText\">Read Also<\/span>&nbsp; <span class=\"postTitle\">Why is China raising its retirement age?<\/span><\/div><\/a><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">We hear a lot about city folk from Beijing, Shanghai and other metropolises looking to get out of the rat race, escape the urban sprawl and drudge and find more satisfying lives in the countryside. You met some of these people \u2013 what motivated them to change gear, and how easy is it to do in China?<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>When I moved to Dali in mid-January 2020, I found that a lot of the other city transplants who were my neighbours in the valley had moved for the same reasons as me. Some were expats like myself, who had moved to China in their early 20s and spent a decade or so in a big city such as Beijing, Shanghai and Guangdong, then in their 30s wanted something different or closer to nature. Most were Chinese on the same trajectory, who had poured all their early energies into making it in the city, only to find that pursuing material and career goals didn\u2019t make them happy. Instead of economic development, they sought personal development. This ties into a movement called \u201clying flat\u201d or <em>tangping<\/em>, which is essentially opting out of the rat race. But that isn\u2019t so easy to do, especially if you still have bills to pay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Many of the people you met in Dali had started businesses to support their lifestyles. What sort of enterprises were they starting, and how successful are they?<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>Moving to the countryside is a privilege that only the relatively affluent can afford, and some of my neighbours from the city in Dali were living off their savings or family money or were retirees. But there were also a lot of them who didn\u2019t have those kinds of resources and had to make do on their own. Some were hippies who busked and sold handmade jewellery on the streets. Another popular way to get by was to start a <em>kezhan<\/em>, an inn or BnB serving tourists who were visiting Dali for shorter stays. One character in the book, who went by the name Nutshell, quit his job and sold his flat and most of his possessions in a northern Chinese city, then drove to Dali and took out a bank loan, built a four-story BnB from nothing, and is still trying to fill enough rooms to pay back the loan, as the pandemic impacted his business.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"625\" height=\"1000\" src=\"https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/81yQ00PLbwL._AC_UF8941000_QL80_.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-14803\" srcset=\"https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/81yQ00PLbwL._AC_UF8941000_QL80_.jpg 625w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/81yQ00PLbwL._AC_UF8941000_QL80_-188x300.jpg 188w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/81yQ00PLbwL._AC_UF8941000_QL80_-585x936.jpg 585w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 625px) 100vw, 625px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Dali is a significant tourist destination, and you moved there just before Covid hit. What sort of impact has tourism had on Dali\u2019s development, and how has it recovered from Covid?<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>Covid was a big part of this story, or at least the part that I witnessed, as I moved to Dali just two weeks before the epidemic in Wuhan broke out and became a pandemic. The trend of moving to countryside locations such as Dali had begun long before 2020, but Covid was a big accelerant for it. By 2021 and 2022, a lot of folks who had endured city lockdowns were ready to call it quits in the city and move to more rural climes. Dali didn\u2019t have any lockdowns and was a pretty idyllic place during the pandemic. But as mentioned, a lot of the city transplants were making their living off the tourists who visited the valley. Tourism dipped during the first year of the pandemic, which was bad for them. But then the opposite happened: tourists could move internally in China but not go abroad. So, the number of visitors and transplants spiked.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">You write a lot about younger people in China. Can you give us a snapshot of China\u2019s urban youth now?<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>In my first book, I followed the stories of six (then) young Chinese born between 1985 and 1990 (that is, my age). That was a very particular generation I called the \u201cwedge generation\u201d, stuck between the old New China (a generation born in the 60s and 70s who witnessed China\u2019s emergence from poverty and political chaos into growth and opportunity) and the New China (a generation born into a rising China, with no lived memory of what came before). One phrase I heard used a lot was \u201ca generation gap every five years\u201d. That meant those born after 1990 were a different generation altogether, and one I was less familiar with. At first, I found them more confident and nationalistic, but recently, the generation after them (born after 1995 or 2000) seems more despairing at China\u2019s economic slowdown, the high unemployment rate for college graduates, and the tightening political mood of the nation. So this new youth seems more disgruntled than ever, and some have protested that by opting out of the system and moving to Dali. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-data443-irp-shortcode irp-shortcode\"><div style=\"clear:both; margin-top:2em; margin-bottom:2em;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/why-developing-understanding-of-china-among-the-uks-next-generation-is-critical-to-our-long-term-relationship\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"dofollow\" class=\"uc73bcb6f74614789c1d03edf907b4f0c\"><style> .uc73bcb6f74614789c1d03edf907b4f0c { padding:0px; margin: 0; padding-top:1em!important; padding-bottom:1em!important; width:100%; display: block; font-weight:bold; background-color:#eaeaea; border:0!important; border-left:4px solid #E74C3C!important; box-shadow: 0 1px 2px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.17); -moz-box-shadow: 0 1px 2px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.17); -o-box-shadow: 0 1px 2px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.17); -webkit-box-shadow: 0 1px 2px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.17); text-decoration:none; } .uc73bcb6f74614789c1d03edf907b4f0c:active, .uc73bcb6f74614789c1d03edf907b4f0c:hover { opacity: 1; transition: opacity 250ms; webkit-transition: opacity 250ms; text-decoration:none; } .uc73bcb6f74614789c1d03edf907b4f0c { transition: background-color 250ms; webkit-transition: background-color 250ms; opacity: 1; transition: opacity 250ms; webkit-transition: opacity 250ms; } .uc73bcb6f74614789c1d03edf907b4f0c .ctaText { font-weight:bold; color:#E74C3C; text-decoration:none; font-size: 16px; } .uc73bcb6f74614789c1d03edf907b4f0c .postTitle { color:#000000; text-decoration: underline!important; font-size: 16px; } .uc73bcb6f74614789c1d03edf907b4f0c:hover .postTitle { text-decoration: underline!important; } <\/style><div style=\"padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em;\"><span class=\"ctaText\">Read Also<\/span>&nbsp; <span class=\"postTitle\">British youth need to understand China better \u2013 here's why<\/span><\/div><\/a><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Do you think that what you witnessed in Dali in the early 2000s \u2013 with people \u201cdropping out\u201d (or something akin to it) \u2013 will boom in these more economically uncertain times in China?<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>I believe the trend will continue, more people will seek a more affordable life outside of big cities, and in doing so the places they migrate to, such as Dali, will in turn become unaffordable themselves as gentrification pushes up prices. That\u2019s what happened in upstate New York, and I could already see it happening in Dali; housing prices used to be an absolute steal, but they\u2019ve increased dramatically in just the last few years. So this is the cycle of escape and gentrification in trendy rural areas which is perhaps the fate of every middle to high-income nation. But if the deeper economic trends and inequities that drove them out of the cities continue, I fear people will find it as hard to thrive out of the city as they did inside it.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter\"><a href=\"\/lp-cta-general\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"4680\" height=\"786\" src=\"https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-general.png\" alt=\"launchpad CBBC\" class=\"wp-image-7247\" srcset=\"https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-general.png 4680w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-general-300x50.png 300w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-general-1024x172.png 1024w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-general-768x129.png 768w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-general-1536x258.png 1536w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-general-2048x344.png 2048w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-general-1920x322.png 1920w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-general-1170x197.png 1170w, https:\/\/focus.cbbc.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/lp-general-585x98.png 585w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 4680px) 100vw, 4680px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Originally from Oxford, Alec Ash is a writer and editor focused on China, where he lived from 2008-2022. 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