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Bloomberg’s Tom Orlik explains that China’s size, growth potential, domestic consumers and high savings rate all help to keep the bubble at bay<\/h2>\n

Tom Orlik is the chief economist for Bloomberg Economics who spent more than a decade in Beijing before relocating to Washington DC. His first book, \u2018Understanding China’s Economic Indicators\u2019 was a must-have guide to China’s economic data. Now he has a new book \u2013 \u2018China: The Bubble that Never Pops\u2019 (Oxford University Press) \u2013 asking a fundamental question that just about anyone serious about understanding China\u2019s economy, markets and data will surely have asked themselves: Will China\u2019s economic bubble burst, how might that happen, and just where will it leave foreign businesses, China and its people? Paul French<\/a> digs deeper into Orlik\u2019s hypothesis to ascertain what exactly it is that makes China so seemingly economically robust?<\/p>\n

We know China\u2019s debt bubble is big \u2013 but is there any way to quantify it in understandable terms for the economic lay person?<\/h2>\n

In 2008, outstanding borrowing in China\u2019s economy was about 140% of GDP. Now, it\u2019s about 260%. That\u2019s a lot of extra borrowing in a short period of time. When we look around the world, there\u2019s basically no other country that has taken on such a lot of debt so quickly. There are, though, a lot of examples \u2013 Korea in the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis, the US in the 2008 financial crisis, Greece in the 2010 sovereign debt crisis. They took on less debt, but still had a meltdown. The fear is that China will go the same way.<\/p>\n

You mention three previous debt crises that led to financial and social turmoil \u2013 the bursting of Japan\u2019s bubble in 1989; the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997; and sub-prime in the US in 2008. Does China\u2019s debt crisis have any parallels to the situation in these crises? And if not, how come it\u2019s different?<\/h2>\n

There is a bunch of similarities. Like banks in Japan in the 1980s, China\u2019s lenders make loans partly at the direction of the government, with the implicit guarantee that Beijing will backstop any defaults. Like Korea in 1997, China\u2019s banks often focus on crony capitalist loans to borrowers in the same state-owned family. Like the US in 2008, there\u2019s been excessive lending to real estate \u2013 driving house prices to artificial highs, and a lot of lending has been securitised \u2013 adding complexity and opacity to the system.<\/p>\n

There are also two important differences, and so far they have been decisive. First, because China\u2019s savings rate is so high, and because it\u2019s difficult to take funds offshore, funding for the banks remains solid. For a financial crisis to happen, lenders have to run out of funds. In China, that doesn\u2019t happen. Second, despite its rise as a global power, China is still at a relatively early stage in its development. Average incomes are low compared to the US. That\u2019s an important contrast with Japan in 1989 \u2013 which had basically already caught up.<\/p>\n

Because China\u2019s savings rate is so high, and because it\u2019s difficult to take funds offshore, funding for the banks remains solid<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Japan didn\u2019t have space to outgrow its problems. China\u2019s not the 10%-a-year monster it was in the early 2000s, but it can still hope to grow at a rapid clip.<\/p>\n

Xi Jinping declared a war on debt. What was his battle campaign? And did it work?<\/h2>\n

The deleveraging campaign which Xi and his chief economic advisor Liu He kicked off in 2016 was remarkable for a couple of reasons. First, it showed the government was willing to move early to address problems before they blew up. Second, it showed regulators willing and able to go into battle against some of the most powerful vested interests \u2013 the state-owned banks and the SOEs that borrowed from them. I remember visiting local banks in Henan province in 2017 when the campaign was in full swing. It really had an impact.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s not exactly \u2018mission accomplished.\u2019 China still has a huge burden of debt. But the campaign did notch up some wins. Shadow bank lending \u2013 arguably the riskiest part of the system \u2013 went from helter-skelter growth to contraction. And by slowing overall credit growth in the good times, China\u2019s policy makers bought themselves a little space to allow lending to run a little faster when it\u2019s needed. In 2020, with the Covid lockdown crushing the economy, that\u2019s paying off.<\/p>\n

There have been, as you note, so many \u201cChina will collapse\u201d theories over the years \u2013 unmanageable debt, the uneasy transition from an investment to a consumption model, the demands of a rising middle class \u2013 but they\u2019ve all been wrong so far. Why?<\/h2>\n

In 2001, Gordon Chang famously tempted fate with his book The Coming Collapse of China \u2013 ushering in close to two decades of unbroken growth. In 2020, I have tempted fate in the other direction. Perhaps I\u2019ll have done the China \u2018bears\u2019 \u00a0a favour, and the bubble will burst before the summer holidays are over. My view, though, is that China still has some years of growth ahead of it. The big reasons are the ones we already touched on.<\/p>\n

China’s growth engine hasn\u2019t run out of steam yet.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

A high savings rate means there\u2019s solid funding for the banks and no trigger for a financial crisis. A relatively early stage of development means there\u2019s space for China to continue climbing the technology ladder. On economics and finance, China\u2019s technocrats don\u2019t get everything right, but they have proven themselves adept at managing the big challenges. Put that together and you have a growth engine that hasn\u2019t run out of steam yet.<\/p>\n

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Tom Orlik says that China’s savers and a relatively early stage of development means there\u2019s space for China to continue<\/p><\/div>\n

You talk about the prevalence of shadow banking with ruinous interest rates. Why do people use these illegal banks? Is there any way to accurately estimate the size of these banks and how much they are lending?<\/h2>\n

The strange thing about China\u2019s shadow banks is that they\u2019re actually just the banks operating through a slightly different channel. Banks lend to a dodgy borrower \u2013 maybe it\u2019s a high-polluting factory that the government wants to cut off; maybe they have a risk of defaulting and the bank doesn\u2019t want to acknowledge a bad loan. Instead of breaking the relationship, the bank finds another asset manager to act as a middleman.<\/p>\n

The asset manager makes a loan to the dodgy borrower. The bank buys a securitised claim on that loan from the asset manager. In effect, the relationship is unchanged, but it now shows up on the bank’s balance sheet as an investment rather than a loan, and that enables the bank to evade some regulatory constraints.<\/p>\n

That kind of shadow lending activity is pretty significant. Some local lenders \u2013 like Baoshang which went bust in 2019 \u2013 do more shadow lending than regular lending. There\u2019s also what you\u2019d consider real shadow lenders \u2013 peer-to-peer platforms, loan sharks and the like. They\u2019re more fun to talk to but much smaller \u2013 too small to move the dial for the economy as a whole.<\/p>\n

Vast domestic market size, good workforce demographics, a high savings rate \u2013 all these phenomena were supposed to prevent the bubbles from bursting and seemingly did \u2013 in real estate for example. But do any of these phenomena still apply in 2020?<\/h2>\n

Demographics are not looking so great \u2013 China now has a shrinking working-age population. The savings rate is still pretty high \u2013 we\u2019ve talked about that. The vast domestic market China still has in spades, and it\u2019s actually incredibly important. Back in the 1990s and 2000s, a massive and cheap workforce was a lure for foreign firms. Now, labour is more expensive, but China\u2019s growing middle class means an attractive consumer market to tap. The presence of foreign firms means an opportunity to learn from foreign technology.<\/p>\n

The vast size of the market means once technologies are learned, they can be deployed at a world-beating scale. That \u2013 combined with a dose of domestic innovation \u2013 is how China achieved competitiveness in first textiles and toys, then steel and ships, now high-speed trains and sustainable energy<\/a>.<\/p>\n

What might change the story, and a significant risk for China going forward, is the darkening of the global mood. President Trump might be the most extreme. But other countries in Europe and Asia are now also shifting their view on China. If the door to the rest of the world starts to creak closed, export markets shrink and technology transfer slows, that\u2019s going to be a problem for Beijing.<\/p>\n

Tom Orlik will be hosting a CBBC<\/a> Premium Webinar titled \u2018China: The Bubble That Never Pops\u2019 on Wednesday 29 July 2020. Contact isabel.curnock@cbbc.org for more information<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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